The Early Church Fathers & the Mystery of John 6:53 - Msgr. Frank Lane
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Msgr. Frank Lane uses early Christian documents and historical context to understand how the first Christians interpreted Scripture. “If in fact Jesus Christ was truly human and truly divine, and if in fact he enters into us as persons, then our full humanity must be engaged in our response to the Lord” - Msgr. Frank Lane (This talk was originally given in 2004 at the CHNetwork's "Deep in History" conference) About the Deep in History Talks from the CHNetwork: The early period of the growth of Christianity (ca. A.D. 50-700) is a rich source for learning how the earliest disciples and apostles of Jesus Christ passed on the “faith delivered once and for all to God’s holy ones” (Jud 3). From Ignatius of Antioch in the early second century to Gregory the Great in the early seventh, the story of the Church’s proclamation in winning over pagan culture to Christ is widely diverse in practice and wonderfully unified in doctrine. The faith of these early Saints inspires and challenges us to live more deeply in love with Christ and in continuity with our forbearers in Christ. We hope these resources take you deep into the history of Christ's Church and thereby deeper into Christ. Please visit: http://DeepinHistory.com http://CHNetwork.org
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The Romans killed Jesus the jew... King of Kings Lord of Lords...
They destroyd the Jewish temple and forced all the people out of Israel..
The Romans killed the first christians for 3 Centuries !
EmperorConstantine the murderer....The blood shed did not stop as Constantine then established the Roman Catholic Church at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The delegates were a mixed mob and some of them were murdered during the staging of the assembly for bringing forth their views that opposed those of the emperor. Once the church was set up the torture, murder and other atrocities continues against anyone who did not worship the image he put forward, namely that of Jesus Christ and the cross.
Constantine started the FALSE christianity and the Popes followed in his steps...
Peter recives THE SPIRITUELLE keys to JESUS KINGDOM in his faith..
Never..never..a church in bricks
Sorry but..The Catholic church is a devil inspired man made false religion.
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A beautiful explanation told without disrespect to the beliefs of those who hold a different view. Of course early educated Christians considered the Platonic view of divinity. It would appear that Saint Patrick had this all encompassing Divine viewpoint when he sung his defense against Druid assassins: "Christ with me, Christ before me Christ behind me; Christ in me Christ beneath me, Christ above me, Christ on my right, Christ on my left, Christ when I lie down Christ when I sit down, Christ when I arise, Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me, Christ in the mouth of every man who speaks of me, Christ in the eye of every man who sees me, Christ in the ear of every man who hears me."
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for those who are in doutabout our real Catholic Church, check who found the others churches and check if the ones who settled other churches had ressurrection on the third day, its so simple....with all do respect...
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I ask all Catholics to read the KJV Bible at John 6:63! Makes it crystal clear that 'Flesh profiteth nothing. Life is in the spirit and the words...' So. Eucharist is not real. Christ died ONCE only!! He is re-murdered at every mass. Go to an independent Baptist Church and speak with the pastor. He wants only to educate you and save your soul! And I was born and raised Catholic. But I was gratefully biblically born again last September!
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Dear Protestants,
This is a Catholic Channel.
You are here because you are looking for something and all the questions that you raise here are just affirmations of your doubt.
We Welcome you to the Catholic Church -
Jesus was referring to the Passover. Lane is seriously confused, beware of taking his words for granted. Most of the early church "fathers" hated Jews and wrote about it openly. Beware what you take for granted. Research history and read their writings in full, you may be surprised what you learn. These early Gentile/Pagan men didn't know how to read and understand the Hebrew bible.
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We call the Sacraments signs which signify and contain Grace. It appears that Fr. Lane use symbol as sign, and sign as a mere material object devoid of the capacity to contain Grace. Should we called them symbols rather? for they contain what they mean? Im a bit confuse with the use. Splendid speech though.
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Catholics are not Christians. They are Babylonian cultists whether they realize it or not.
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That is the first time in this series that I've heard that it should not be attributed to ill will and this is important to protestants that the motives of the reformers not be impugned. Many died, especially the radical reformers rather than recant. When you read their words as they are being drowned for believing in adult baptism or rebaptism. Can you even imagine this today that anyone, in any church, would think it appropriate or "Christ-like" to murder someone for believing in adult baptism or baptism by choice. To many burning people alive and torturing them to get them to recant, even a false belief only reinforced their believe in the depravity of the church hierarchy. Many of the so-called heretics did not even resist but went out singing praises to God. Another thing I hear throughout this series in a kind of minimizing of the actual state of the church just prior to the reformation. It was pretty damn bad. It was certainly not the progressive humane rights non death penalty gracious to all religions (except protestants) that it is today. I am in no way anti-Catholic. In fact I am convinced by a lot of the arguments and have been very disillusioned with the modern evangelical church. At the same time I am open but not convinced. I attended a parish for a while and I was surprised at just how scriptural things were and liked a lot of things but did not feel at home. I dunno, I didn't expect to be buddy's with everyone right away but after 6 months I hadn't made a single friend. This would not be the case at a protestant church of any denomination that you would go for 6 months and hardly meet a person. I know what Catholics say, it is not a club, and your go for the mass and to worship god, but come on, this is not a good way to be. I remain open and do really want the truth.
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John 6:63 "The spirit is the life giver; the flesh is of no value: the words which I have said to you are spirit and they are life" why not just look in the Bible. Those that stuck around and sought an answer got one from Jesus. Jesus clarified it himself. And as,far as incorporating Greek thought to understand scripture? That has led to a multitude of heresy by well meaning people.
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thankyou very much indeed... much adored...your explanation really deepened my minds and strengthen my faith....
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well if it is literal, you should be practicing canibalism
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Sing, my tongue, the Saviour's glory,
Of His Flesh, the mystery sing;
Of the Blood, all price exceeding, -
I've been a born-again christian for 1 year. And I read the bible daily. The RCC has fallen short of true understanding of John chapter 6. They STOP at verse 53. They need to continue through verse 63. It makes it clear that 'flesh profiteth nothing. The life is in the spirit.' Also, Jesus Christ himself declared 'It Is Finished' and, therefore, the mass's eucharist is NOT any such thing.
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This is a beautiful explanation of the mystery of the Eucharist and very much in line with what I was taught at the Augustine Institute where I received my master's degree in theology. To those who say this is a lie and have difficulty understanding, they are like the people in John who turned away from Christ when he gave the Bread of Life discourse. Peter and the other apostles did not understand either, but they believed because of faith in the true Christ they were following. God gave us the scientific laws to understand our physical universe, but not to analyze and understand His mysteries. For that, we must have faith. Without faith, prayer becomes meaningless. Without faith, eating a body devolves into cannibalism. Without faith, our spiritual lives starve. I know that when I die, I want to be with God. Without faith, there is no God. Without faith, there is no reason to live.
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This is the most eloquent and beautifully succinct articulation of the transcendent and transforming TRUE nature of the holy Eucharist I have ever heard. Thank God for Father Lane. Not an easy thing to do. I'm so thankful I found this.
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hi, the original Church is the East Orthodox Church. www.ancient faith.com
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My flesh is TRUE food my blood is TRUE drink. but oh noooo Jesus was only speaking symbolically here according to thefundamentalists. They obviously don't know Greek.
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What unbiblical propaganda!!!!
If you accept this LIE. Then John 6:47-48 you have a literal walking talking loaf of bread. CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT!!!!
This is absolute proof that rome purposefully alters scripture.
The term Catholic meaning universal, and was first used by St.Ignatius of Antioch in a letter he wrote to the Smyrnean's on his way to be executed in 107 AD. This indicated that it was a word very commonly in use...long before Constantine, which is a common misconception among Protestants. St. Ignatius said: 'Wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.'